>> the argument would be let the business situation environment be easier for us. as a small business owner it's very difficult right now. we don't know where taxes are going, we don't know the situation with healthcare, regulations are increasing every day. say, hey, listen mr. obama, look what happened over the last four years. businesses had to cutback and stop spending. and by doing that a lot of corporations actually inc increased their bottom line. what the government wants to do is bring in more revenue by taxing but keep spending the same amount. at the end of the day nothing changes. they need to give president obama a business 101 course, stop spending and bring in more revenue. >> the budget is actually going to grow even if the sequester were to go into place okay. the budget would grow. the federal government would continue spending even more. we are on a trajectory that is unsustainable here. bill: could you bend that curve with different policy? >> sure, i am ever hopeful that, and you allowed american business to be incensted to do business, brings